Will the Heuer 01 movement be replaced by the Heuer 02 movement?

  1. Johan63

    Johan63 Aug 28, 2019

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    On Tag Heuer's United States of America site Tag Heuer presents the all new Carrera Collection with the Heuer 02 movement (https://www.tagheuer.com/en-us/carrera-heuer-02). At the same time the range of the Carrera with Heuer 01 movement (former Seiko 6S37: TC78, Tag Heuer 1887) is reduced to only 4 models (tag-heuer-carrera-watch). What does that mean? Will the Heuer 01 movement be replaced by the 02 movement and will Tag Heuer follow a new movement strategy? From the point of view of cost efficiency, there is something to be said for that.
     
  2. Aquagraph

    Aquagraph Aug 28, 2019

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    Well, if this comes to pass, then Bicester will no doubt be getting a ton of Heuer 01s in to sell!
     
  3. Hubert

    Hubert Aug 28, 2019

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  4. Johan63

    Johan63 Aug 28, 2019

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    Well, I saw that in Europe several Watch shops are selling out the Carrera watches with Heuer 01 movement. I think it would make sense that Tag Heuer will stop the production of the Heuer 01 movement. The 01 movement is a typical Chronograph movement and can only be used as such. The 02 movement is modular en therefore more versatility ( for example: manual wind, chronograph, tourbillon) and is more simply to produce. With the arrival of the new Autavia Chronograph with a Heuer 02 movement (see various posts in various forums) next year and the new Carrera range with Heuer 02 movement, I think Tag Heuer will also need the production capacity from the Heuer 01 movements to produce Heuer 02 movements. I expect the presentation of the new Autavia Chronograph COSC certified with the new nano tube carbon spring at the LVMH Swiss Watch Manufactures Exhibition in januari 2020 in Dubai. Stéphane Bianchi announced this exhibition and said: 'We remain very supportive and loyal to Baselworld and then Swiss watchmaking industry. However, it was not possible for us to go 13 months without a global presentation of our products and brands. This additional event further confirms LVMH commitment to the strategic and profitable watch category'. And finally no one can say anymore that the Heuer 01 is actually a Seiko. The Heuer 02 (1969; CH-80 and than named Heuer 02) is a real in-house movement witch from the first scratch on has been developed by Tag Heuer.
     
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  5. OttoWilliam

    OttoWilliam Aug 28, 2019

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    Is it wrong that all this talk about H01 being discontinue makes me cherish my H01 even more ? By impulse i bought 2 H01, and always on the edge to sell one of em. But upon this news, i don't think i want to sell any of it.

    :thumbsdown:

    By the way, i haven't own H02 yet, but i personally think that is it far more superior movement in comparison to H01.
     
  6. Mr_Orange

    Mr_Orange Aug 28, 2019

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    Welcome to C11 @Johan63.

    Firstly, let's stop with the myth about the 1887 (Heuer 01) being a Seiko movement. It is incredibly old news and we all know that TAG Heuer heavily modified the calibre that they bought from Seiko. None of us here are interested in rehashing that bit of TAG-bashing.

    Secondly, as I understood it, the Heuer 02 is a fully integrated chronograph not a modular movement.

    I believe it does make sense to phase out the H01 in favour of the H02 purely due to the improved power reserve. Also TAG Heuer seem to be keeping the Calibre 16 as their movement for their 'cheaper' Carreras.
     
  7. Johan63

    Johan63 Aug 29, 2019

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    In my post I only looked for explanations why Tag Heuer could stop the production of the 01 movement. One is that the design comes from Seiko. I think this may be mentioned because this is the case. Bashing therefore not the case. I own five Tag’s among with a Carrera with 01 movement and find the layout of the dial much nicer than that of the 02.

    Secondly the structure of the 02 is certainly modular:
    https://monochrome-watches.com/in-depth-comeback-tag-heuer-ch80-named-heuer-03/

    The Heuer 01 is a great movement and everyone knows that it is customary in the watch industry to use entire movements or parts thereof. For example take a look at the coaxial escapement of Omega. That is not from omega herself but from George Daniels, or to IWC and Panerai who use base plates of eta 7750 and state that the timepiece is entirely in-house.

    All this is not an issue for me.
     
  8. Mr_Orange

    Mr_Orange Aug 29, 2019

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    Good, I'm glad this wasn't a trolling post about the origins of the 1887.

    I disagree about the H02 being modular though. The Calibre 12, for example, is modular insofar as it is a base, time only, movement with a chronograph module bolted on to it.

    The H02 is a fully integrated chronograph. This is not to say that was not designed with the ability to add further complications in the future though.
     
  9. Johan63

    Johan63 Aug 29, 2019

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    Although the Calibre Heuer-02 is an integrated chronograph movement, it was designed as a series of “sub-modules” that are assembled separately. This process allows the brand to check individual functions before final assembly of the movement. As a result, overall assembly time of the Heuer-02 has been reduced by 15%:

    https://www.watchprosite.com/tag-he...-to-the-calibre-heuer-02/737.1188421.9555361/
     
  10. Mr_Orange

    Mr_Orange Aug 29, 2019

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    I don't think I have a preference as I have both styles in my collection.

    The 1887s that I own work because the running seconds subdial, at 9, is very discrete so the look more like a 6, 12 layout.

    My Maurice Lacroix uses the Valjoux 7753 which is the 3,6, 9 variant of the 7550.

    In many respects, I prefer 2 register chronographs such as the Calibre 36 or the Calibre 11/12/17 since it would be rare I would need to time something for longer than 30 minutes or so.

    @Hubert, perhaps, this disucssion/poll could be moved to a new thread?
     
  11. Hubert

    Hubert Aug 29, 2019

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    Good idea. Give me a moment.
     
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  12. Hubert

    Hubert Aug 30, 2019

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  13. Johan63

    Johan63 Aug 30, 2019

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    Today I received from a reliable source the confirmation that the Carrera with Heuer 01 movement is indeed being replaced by the 02 movement....
     
  14. Mr_Orange

    Mr_Orange Aug 30, 2019

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    I'm sure that JCB said that replacing the H01 with H02 was always the plan, so we shouldn't be surprised.
     
  15. Aquagraph

    Aquagraph Sep 4, 2019

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    Heuer 01s are coming to the outlets very soon...
     
  16. Hubert

    Hubert Sep 5, 2019

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    In fact I just received this today!
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  17. Pitfitter446

    Pitfitter446 Sep 6, 2019

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    Wife reckons it’s worth a visit back to Vegas! she says no watch but an excuse to revisit Sin City.:whistling::whistling:
     
  18. Hubert

    Hubert Sep 6, 2019

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    Yup, always good to visit Lady Luck. I'm heading there next month.
     
  19. Aquagraph

    Aquagraph Sep 7, 2019

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    Heuer 01s are in Bicester now. 7 references, will post about them tomorrow.
     
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  20. Aquagraph

    Aquagraph Sep 8, 2019

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    Here we are... all solid dial variants, I wonder if the skeleton Heuer 01s are going to stick around?

    https://tagheuerenthusiast.blogspot.com/2019/09/spotlight-on-new-arrivals-at-tag-heuer.html

    Also, if anyone is interested in a 2019 Gulf Monaco, I was in Whitby yesterday and the Ramsdens store there had an unworn piece for £3795. Apparently their stock is not on the 'Ramsdens' website because they are a franchise but they do advertise on Chrono24. I was very tempted but I don't have that kind of money at the moment.
     
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