1. pdmm

    pdmm Nov 20, 2016

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    Hi everyone

    I posted something similar over at watchuseek, but was suggested to hit up this forum instead, because you are the specialists :)

    I have this worn out 1960's Carrera lying around and haven't really given it much thought, until I started getting more interested in mechanical watches. It definitely needs a polish and a new front glass.

    Maybe some of you can help me identify this watch. Of course I have tried to google it first and I figured out it might be this watch: Heuer Carrera 45 Ref. 3647T". However, I noticed that there's a "T" above the Swiss label on those pictures and mine doesn't have that.

    What am I dealing with here? Would appreciate your input. Also maybe some of you have a guess of what this watch would be worth today.
     
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  2. Calibre11

    Calibre11 Editor of Calibre11.com Staff Member Nov 20, 2016

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    Very nice watch- your research is right- it's a Carrera 45 specifically a Carrera 3647T. Heuer- and others- did look at alternatives to tritium (which is what the T on the dial means...the T in the model reference is for tachymeter, the red scale on the dial). Your watch is likely from the mid-late 1960s rather than the early versions.

    Take a look here for a view on pricing:

    http://forums.calibre11.com/threads/vintage-heuer-price-guide.19567/

    dc
     
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  3. ewand

    ewand Nov 21, 2016

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    Interestingly, WatchPool24 has a poly-back 3647T up for sale:
    https://www.watchpool24.com/en/auction/view/id/30726585

    ... that also doesn't have the T above Swiss. If the WP24 one is genuine, then it must be a very early case with Ed Heuer signed movement and a no-T dial. OP; what does the back of your watch look like? Does it have a serial number between the lugs?
     
  4. Calibre11

    Calibre11 Editor of Calibre11.com Staff Member Nov 21, 2016

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    Actually, I've got that the wrong way around- early Carreras with no tritium "T" on the dial

    2. SWISS Only: The earliest Carreras simply say "SWISS" on the dial and do not have a "T" letter indicating tritium. Some collectors believe that the lume was still tritium, while others wonder whether these Carreras (and some early Autavias) may have used radium lume. It would take a Geiger counter and some more detailed analysis to say for sure, but in all likelihood they had tritium lume and the marking system for tritium was not yet uniform.

    https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/understanding-the-earliest-heuer-carreras
     
  5. dsio

    dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Nov 21, 2016

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    Oh that's pretty, bracelet isn't but the watch would look great on a shell cordovan strap or something rustic like that.
     
  6. pdmm

    pdmm Nov 21, 2016

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  7. abrod520

    abrod520 Nov 21, 2016

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    That is indeed a 3647T, the Swiss-only dial and notch back would date it to probably 1965 or 1966. Best way to tell would be the serial number - There should be a 5-digit serial number between the bottom lugs (near 6-o'clock). You may have to remove the bracelet to see it; if you're not comfortable doing so you can take it to any watch repair place and they can help you.
     
  8. Calibre11

    Calibre11 Editor of Calibre11.com Staff Member Nov 21, 2016

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    Those springbars look like they'll be tough to move- I'd agree with @abrod520 that taking it to a watch repair shop should be the next move
     
  9. pdmm

    pdmm Dec 27, 2017

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    Merry Christmas everyone.

    Thought it would be fun to update this entry with the refurbished watch. This is what it looks like now...Inside has been getting a much needed spa treatment, polished the glass (plastic) and gave it a nice new strap. What do you guys think?
     
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  10. imagwai

    imagwai Dec 27, 2017

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    Fantastic!
     
  11. Gambba

    Gambba Dec 27, 2017

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    Lovely piece!!

    My own choice would be a Black corfam strap on it or rally style strap just for that proper old school feel and look. Still lovely nonetheless!! Congrats.
     
  12. pdmm

    pdmm Dec 27, 2017

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    Thank you!!! :)
    I was actually out looking for exactly that, but honestly a black strap looked way too harsh for my personal taste.
     
  13. MRC

    MRC Dec 27, 2017

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    I've had my 3647 on black and brown and find the black too sharp.

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    This could also serve as a WRUW for this week although both photos were taken some time ago.
     
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  14. pdmm

    pdmm Dec 27, 2017

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    Very nice! Yes, that's exactly how I felt about the black strap too...it's too sharp. The brown tones on the right picture really works well though. Nice watch!
     
  15. Calibre11

    Calibre11 Editor of Calibre11.com Staff Member Dec 28, 2017

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    Fantastic- well worth it...congrats :thumbsup:
     
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  16. Gambba

    Gambba Dec 28, 2017

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    I can see what you mean there, and can see it would be probably the better choice. I would have thought the corfam material colour and graining would reduce that sharpness somewhat.