Unknown Heuer Autavia - Advice please.

  1. nickhill

    nickhill Apr 24, 2019

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    Hi All,

    After my father passed away I have been clearing out the house and I came across a bag of old watches, mostly cheap Casio's etc, but among them I found the a Heuer watch, no Autavia written on the front, but it does show that it is a Autavia on the back. The only numbers I can find on the watch itself are "96917"

    I have been searching the internet and all the Autavia's I find have it written on the face - I also cannot find any reference to "96917". I guess my questions are: is this a genuine Heuer, and if so would it be worth while fixing it up.

    As I have no idea what this may be worth I am currently unable to make a decision. The watch itself does seem to work as when you pick it up and move it around the hands do move after it has built up a bit of energy.

    Thanks for your time.
    Nick
     
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  2. Enzo

    Enzo Apr 24, 2019

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    Hi Nick,
    Both watch and bracelet look genuine to me, and definitely worth getting a watchmaker to check it over.
     
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  3. abrod520

    abrod520 Apr 24, 2019

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    I believe the dial has been refinished, but the rest is genuine. It's a 3646 Autavia and 96917 is its serial number, dating it to late 1968 or early 1969 or thereabouts.
     
  4. nickhill

    nickhill Apr 24, 2019

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    Thanks for the response, just out of interest if you had it would you get it done up or leave it as it is?
    if it's not worth a huge amount of money I would like to do it up and wear it. but if it is 10k plus I think I may have to sell it.
     
  5. abrod520

    abrod520 Apr 24, 2019

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    It'll require a crown and perhaps a fairly extensive overhaul, but the watch isn't going to be worth 10k. You may have to spend up to $1,000 to get it to a usable condition though
     
  6. Calibre11

    Calibre11 Editor of Calibre11.com Staff Member Apr 24, 2019

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    Agree that there is something "off" about the dial...but I'd like to see this one out of the case to see for sure if it has been refinished..could be original. Also agree that there is at least $1k worth of work...maybe more.
     
  7. Ara

    Ara Apr 24, 2019

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    Just curious. $1000+ worth of labor aside from the cost of replacement bezel, crown, and dial, right?
     
  8. abrod520

    abrod520 Apr 25, 2019

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    No, assuming he wants to keep the parts currently on the watch, I'd think he could get a new crown and a service for 1k if he was willing to ship it out. But if he wanted to bring it back to fully proper spec, it'd cost more for sure.

    It's a 3646 dial (see the markers) but Heuer did not produce "economy"-line Autavias without the name on the dial (or any at all with the V92; those were all 7730s) so my best guess is refinished or at the very least, the Autavia name has been scrubbed off
     
  9. Ara

    Ara Apr 25, 2019

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    Got it.I'm always itching for a resto project like this but never go through with it because of the unknown costs. Experience like this helps. Thanks!
     
  10. nickhill

    nickhill Apr 25, 2019

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    Thanks for all the advice everyone, I'm going to take it to a restorer that has been recommended to me to see what he can do with it and how much it will cost. I'll report back with pictures when if anything has been done.
     
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  11. nickhill

    nickhill Apr 25, 2019

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    I did see on chrono24 someone selling a 3646 without the Autavia name on it. and they were saying that it was a Prototype. whatever that is.. could that be possible?
     
  12. SteveP

    SteveP Apr 25, 2019

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    You make a good point Nick. I also remember seeing another example of this type of 3646 here-
    http://www.chronocentric.com/forums/heuer/index.cgi?md=read;id=95348

    I'm inclined to think they/yours are correct....although I wonder why the serial on yours is so 'late' if it's a prototype...
    Steve
     
  13. abrod520

    abrod520 Apr 25, 2019

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    Hmm, intriguing.... I wonder then if it might be some kind of service dial.
     
  14. nickhill

    nickhill Apr 25, 2019

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    After reading the post that SteveP linked to, mine also has no 3646 engraved between the lugs, and like the one on that post it hasn't just worn off, it was defiantly never engraved.

    This is why I was wondering if it could be a model of the 3636 before it was named 3646 if that makes sense?
    abrod520: sorry for my ignorance as I am very new to the world of vintage watches, but what is a "service dial"?

    As I have been doing research on this watch I am becoming fascinated by the subject.
     
  15. nickhill

    nickhill Apr 25, 2019

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  16. abrod520

    abrod520 Apr 25, 2019

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    Reference numbers weren't engraved between the lugs on the Autavia before the second-generation 2446C models were introduced in 1969, so that's neither abnormal nor telling for your watch.

    A service dial is one that is fitted when the watch is sent in for service, usually if the original dial shows some damage or other deviation from the manufacturer's specification. Sometimes they have differences from the original dials.

    I'm not sure even whether it's a service dial, and maybe instead it's a blank that was intended for use in a retailer-stamped watch (like the "Gubelin" in the Fratello article - it seems these Autavia-less dials are most often found with a retailer stamp)
     
  17. Calibre11

    Calibre11 Editor of Calibre11.com Staff Member Apr 25, 2019

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    I reckon this is the most plausible explanation
     
  18. Yago

    Yago Apr 26, 2019

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    Originally I thought it had a reapplied dial. Specifically because the Heuer logo is different from all other Heuer logos of that era. The letters are just off in comparison. Most notably the small leg of the R. It begins at the far right side. On period watches, including all 60s Carreras and Autavias, the small leg starts in the crossing. But it turns out the above mentioned watches on Chronocentric and the Gubelin piece all have that logo.
    Digging a bit deeper I found this is simply an older logo most seen on '40s and '50s Heuers. The service or co-branded dial is very plausible but why would they stamp a logo from a decade or so ago? Intriguing
     
  19. plibou

    plibou Apr 29, 2019

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    1000 € restauration only if you keep the part
    Strap is 19 mm right ?