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TAG Heuer Autavia Isographs Being Removed from the Market

  1. jdcdpm52

    jdcdpm52 Jul 12, 2020

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    My thoughts exactly
     
  2. abrod520

    abrod520 Jul 12, 2020

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    Yes but will TAG do so given their removal of the "Isograph" movement?
     
  3. jdcdpm52

    jdcdpm52 Jul 12, 2020

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    This Is my concern and am awaiting to hear
     
  4. jdcdpm52

    jdcdpm52 Jul 13, 2020

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    So...hypothetically speaking....if Tag offered to replace with the calibre 5 chronograph would you take it or still demand repair? I have been thinking about this one...if repaired then yes, still have a very exclusive watch. But that’s under warranty. I wear my watches. None are safe queens. So years down the road...when it needs service or heaven forbid a repair...will tag do it? Will it be able to be repaired if it an issue with the Isograph hair spring? Would a local watch guy be able to fix it/service it? Will the cost be significant for work because of the Isograph?

    That being pondered? Is there real value in keeping it? Will the value go up? Majority of watches (save the usual suspects) do not go up in value. And honestly unless it were to be some astronomical number...Would it be worth it? Again, this will not be a safe queen awaiting speculation and sale years down the road. This watch will be worn and used.

    A standard calibre 5 Autavia chronometer is simply a. 2824. Easily services and worked on for eternity.

    Thanks for letting me ramble...but would love to hear opinions based on my thoughts above.
     
  5. Calibre11

    Calibre11 Editor of Calibre11.com Staff Member Jul 13, 2020

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    Good points- I'd probably push hard for it to be repaired, but at the end of the day if they offer you a new watch for yours, that might be the better move. Not sure I would accept a standard hairspring being put into a watch with an Isograph dial.
     
  6. jdcdpm52

    jdcdpm52 Jul 13, 2020

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    So my hypothetical was actually truth. I got called today by the service center and they offered me a new watch or to send it to Switzerland to be fixed. They said they don’t have the tools to fix it here. They said the fix in Switzerland would take a long time and they couldn’t put a time frame on it. I pointed out I paid more for the Isograph than what the current calibre 5 retails for. So considering the watch isn’t a year old that would kind of be an issue taking a loss. So I proposed that if I take a replacement they possibly provide me both the leather and metal strap. The gentleman found it an interesting proposal and said he would speak to the powers that be and get back to me. So that’s where we stand.

    As a side note...the gentleman I spoke with was extremely nice. We chatted about the watch for a bit and he was knowledgeable and a very personable. Great representative of LVMH.
     
  7. imagwai

    imagwai Jul 14, 2020

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    This is a dilemma ineed. While the isographs remain relatively rare, I guess there is an inherent unreliability, and any future desirability may be dented by that and the fact that they will be difficult, expensive, or even impossible to repair. We're probably talking decades until these have any real collector value, and that's not guaranteed. I think, given you intend to wear this watch, I would probably take the replacement also (with extras or partial refund to compensate the difference in value). Alternatively, push for a full refund of the watch, and then buy something else?
     
  8. jdcdpm52

    jdcdpm52 Jul 14, 2020

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    Definitely some of the thoughts going through my mind. But if I do not go for the repair, would definitely take the replacement instead of refund. Love the watch design.
     
  9. Jim Dollares

    Jim Dollares Jul 16, 2020

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    I would go for the repair!! About future repairs, why worry? If anything happens you can just have a watchmaker replace the movement with a standard 2824.

    How much does a single movement cost? 300 bucks maybe? Anyone has an exact number?
     
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  10. dtf

    dtf Jul 17, 2020

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    I thought the issue with the isograph was low yield, hence much higher costs to manufacture, rather than any inherent unreliability?

    In theory the movement is a standard calibre 5, so should be serviceable by anyone who can service a calibre 5?

    I would be very reluctant to let them put a normal movement in.
     
  11. jdcdpm52

    jdcdpm52 Jul 17, 2020

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    I apologize but I don’t remember the podcast name specifically, but the issue seemed to be with some sorry if adhesive regarding the hairspring. It was unreliable and they couldn’t get many units to pass COSC so the low yield was because if this inherent flaw.
     
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  12. ChrisNorris

    ChrisNorris Sep 27, 2020

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    So just an update,
    got my isograph back after 10 weeks happy with time accuracy now and it still has isograph face
    happy with the watch now.
     
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  13. jdcdpm52

    jdcdpm52 Sep 27, 2020

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    I sent mine in. The rotor was spinning wildly when turning the winding mechanism. TAG USA offered to send it to Switzerland but it would take and unknown amount of months to get it back. They also offered to trade with a new version. I was worried that if they fixed it and then Down the road when out of warranty it may be very expensive to fix or not possibly with the carbon fiber hairspring. So I opted to replace. But told them the new version is less expensive than the Isograph and asked if they would include the bracelet AND the leather strap to compensate. And they did! However...the dial is different. The fade on the fume is significantly different. I looked online a lot and see with all the dials the fade if the fume varies...anyone else notice this??? Pics of both attached.
     
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  14. Jim Dollares

    Jim Dollares Sep 27, 2020

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    Oh wow that is quite a big difference! I have not noticed this before but I have not actively compared the isograph versions with the new ones... guess they updated the dial look?
     
  15. jdcdpm52

    jdcdpm52 Sep 27, 2020

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    I have watched a lot of videos and looked at a lot of pics...it’s not juts isolated to the black version. The blue and the bronze versions have variance as well. I asked the service center about it as I thought I liked my darker version better and they said they can’t do anything about the dial difference in the replacement watch.

    After wearing it a while....the light plays with the new lighter dial much more and depending on the angle and light the dial can look blue/gray sometimes black/smoke gray sometimes shades of brown. The pebbling of the dial is much more prominent in the new dial.

    That being said...it’s growing on me. But I still may like the darker original I had. But it wasn’t as dynamic. One thing I definitely do not like about the new dial is the word Autavia and somewhat the logo are washed out and not visible in brighter light looking directly at the dial.
     
  16. jdcdpm52

    jdcdpm52 Sep 27, 2020

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    It’s not just the Isograph...the new ones vary in dial. I wonder if it’s the way the fume dial is made...maybe each batch is unique?? I don’t know how they manufacture it specifically.
     
  17. Jim Dollares

    Jim Dollares Sep 27, 2020

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    Sorry I did not read or look good enough, thought the darker one was the new...

    well I see now what you mean, the word Autavia can hardly be seen on the lighter dial :eek: as you describe I can imagine that white text and logo would also be difficult to see from time to time
     
  18. jdcdpm52

    jdcdpm52 Sep 27, 2020

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    it’s only looking head on direct. But from any angle it’s visible. My son thinks the darker one looks “more expensive”.

    So what do you think Jim...which dial do you like better?
    Maybe I will start a thread with various pics of both and see what people think.
     
  19. Jim Dollares

    Jim Dollares Sep 27, 2020

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    Sorry to say but I agree with your son, the darker looks better
     
  20. jdcdpm52

    jdcdpm52 Sep 27, 2020

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    I tend to agree. Giving this more time. I never flipped a watch in my life. But if I don’t bond with this it may be my first flip. But I have leather and metal bracelet...so there’s that! Lol
     
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