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  1. Jim Dollares

    Jim Dollares Jan 25, 2021

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  2. Yago

    Yago Jan 25, 2021

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    16,5k is 1k lower than the titanium of 2019. Wouldn't call it a steal. It's a bit larger and thicker than that one. I also prefer the dial of the titanium. 4 hertz movement with a 5 hertz scale yet again. Strange.
     
  3. kappa_md

    kappa_md Jan 25, 2021

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    Steal or Daylight thef? :rolleyes:
     
  4. Jim Dollares

    Jim Dollares Jan 25, 2021

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    What does this mean?
     
  5. Yago

    Yago Jan 25, 2021

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    It's a 4 hertz calibre, meaning the balance wheel makes 4 complete (4 left and 4 right) movements per second, 8 movements in total. 8 * 3600 seconds per hour = 28.800 beats per hour = watch frequency. For 3-handers this is considered a solid frequency, Rolex swears by it. However for a chronograph it's not ideal as this means the calibre beats 8 times per second so effectively measuring 1/8th of a second. Sports events, be it motorsport or athletics are obviously measured in 1/10th of a second. This would require a high beat movement of 36.000 like the TAG/Zenith 360.
    Since chronographs these days typically aren't used to actually measure anything it's not that much of a deal. The H02 also has a frequency of 28.800. However in this case it would be correct to divide each second on the dial in 4, as in the H02 models. That way the chronograph hand hits the right marker. In the case of this Bulgari and a bunch of other watches including the Daytona, the seconds are divided in 5. This means the chronograph hand misses 4 out of 5 markers and will only hit home on the second.
     
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  6. Mr_Orange

    Mr_Orange Jan 25, 2021

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    Explained far more clearly than I would have done. Thanks @Yago.
     
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  7. Pitfitter446

    Pitfitter446 Jan 25, 2021

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    That what I thought it far more depth than I went into in my head, nice to be functioning on a Monday morning.:)
     
  8. Pitfitter446

    Pitfitter446 Jan 25, 2021

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    I’d go racing Chronograph and dress, I think? Don’t remember the last time I wore anything but jeans, or shorts!
     
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  9. Jim Dollares

    Jim Dollares Jan 25, 2021

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    Thanks so much @Yago I did not know this aspect of chronograph dials. Now I hate this Bulgari wannabe serious chronograph bag of shit :thumbsup:
     
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  10. kappa_md

    kappa_md Jan 25, 2021

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    Great explanation sir @Yago :thumbsup: When I was watching this video on the new Zenith El Primero Chronomaster Sport, it was told that some watch movements measure 1/8th or 1/6th of a second only which is actually non-practical or non applicable. Only the 1/10th of a second is truly functional as displayed by the El Primero ;)
    Click Me
     
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  11. kappa_md

    kappa_md Jan 25, 2021

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    LOL :D
     
  12. Yago

    Yago Jan 25, 2021

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    And then there's the 1/100th and 1/1000th second calibres, madness. Just check out the vids of the TAG Heuer 1/1000th Mikrotimer prototype. Will make your head spin. The 1/100 Mikrograph is also very impressive, I just don't like the package.
     
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  13. Yago

    Yago Jan 25, 2021

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    Might be a good write-up on the C11 blog about all the high beat chronograph developments over the years
     
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  14. Aquagraph

    Aquagraph Jan 25, 2021

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  15. imagwai

    imagwai Jan 25, 2021

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    That Bulgari looks a bit angular to me (like they couldn't make up their mind what shape to make it), and the bracelet a bit wide. Too much going on. Completely subjective, though.
     
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  16. joecoulson

    joecoulson Jan 25, 2021

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    Thank You Yago. Love to learn quick tidbits like that.
     
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  17. Yago

    Yago Jan 25, 2021

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    I tried it on and liked it a lot. But it seems way bigger than 42mm on my wrist, more like 44mm.
     
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  18. Jim Dollares

    Jim Dollares Jan 25, 2021

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    Slomosen Jan 25, 2021

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    This is such a nice explanation of something that I think is a key concept. Many watch manufacturers take a "logistics shortcut" when it comes to the movement and the scale not matching. Apparently, there are work-arounds, but I still believe that if the fundamental mechanics aren't in place (ie a movement that matches the scale), it's still a bit of a hack job. As stated earlier, its a bit idealistic and impractical (given that I don't measure anything in 10-facture scale using a mechanical watch), but still, I'm glad to see others holding to this standard.
     
  20. Yago

    Yago Jan 25, 2021

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    Usually not a fan of skeleton dials but how about this Zenith Defy?

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