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  1. Mspeedster

    Mspeedster Jan 23, 2021

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    This is the first major update to the classic Speedmaster Pro in decades. I'm sure there are many Speedmaster freaks that can better answer your question than I can. For me, these are the main differences:
    - A new movement, the 3861. The previous 1861 has been around since the mid-90's.
    - Dial has slight changes: ridge by the minute track, applied logo (only on sapphire) and dot over 90 on the bezel (a big deal for some, no biggie to me).
    - Slightly slimmer/flatter case
    - New bracelet
    - And a price jump to go with it!
    But at a quick glance, one would be hard pressed to spot the new Speedmaster Pro over its predecessor. At least I would. :rolleyes:
    You can read more about the differences here: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/omega-speedmaster-3861-complete-buyers-guide
     
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  2. kappa_md

    kappa_md Jan 24, 2021

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    Appreciate it sir Speedster :thumbsup: I’m not really familiar with the Speedy TBH. Looks very similar to me :D
     
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  3. kappa_md

    kappa_md Jan 24, 2021

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    More on the “Zaytona” ;)

     
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  4. Yago

    Yago Jan 24, 2021

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    Huge price jump for basically the same watch. No more accurate and ridiculous power reserve. Still a 3 hertz calibre. They finally adjusted the markers to match the calibre. It’s a Nasa souvenir shop thingy. The new El Primero is the chronograph release of the decade for me.
     
  5. thingziliketoo

    thingziliketoo Jan 24, 2021

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    I feel your enthusiasm
     
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  6. Hubert

    Hubert Jan 24, 2021

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    I don't care for it, but as you may recall, the Ed White is on my list.
     
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  7. kappa_md

    kappa_md Jan 24, 2021

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    I’m not into Zenith but this new El Primero Chronomaster Sport is making me take a second look :whistling: Probably the only Zenith to be part of the collection :thumbsup:
     
  8. Yago

    Yago Jan 24, 2021

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    Have a look at the Defy 21. 1/100th of a sec, prices have dropped below 10k. A sort of mikrograph in a stunning case
     
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  9. Jim Dollares

    Jim Dollares Jan 24, 2021

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    How much did they increase the price? Thought they said 700 usd on the Hodinkee podcast
     
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    Hubert Jan 24, 2021

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  11. kappa_md

    kappa_md Jan 24, 2021

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    I will sir :thumbsup: Thank you!
     
  12. kappa_md

    kappa_md Jan 24, 2021

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    Just a marvel to see the “lightning mode” turning when you activate the chronograph :) Props to Zenith! :thumbsup:
     
  13. joecoulson

    joecoulson Jan 24, 2021

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    Anyone else had a full service and gotten a bag of bits back like this? This was the Omega Seamaster full service. Not only the pins, gears and seals, but also all hands and both crowns. was surprised to see so much.
    anyone also have pictures of the parts replaced after a service?
     
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  14. Yago

    Yago Jan 24, 2021

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    Wow make sure never to send a t dial in that case. Any difference between the old and new hands and crown?
     
  15. imagwai

    imagwai Jan 24, 2021

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    That bezel spring looks knackered. Not surprised they replaced that. You could have asked to keep the original hands I guess, but all the rest looks like either routine or worthwhile things to replace. At least they sent you the original bits, though.
     
  16. joecoulson

    joecoulson Jan 24, 2021

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    Old hands and new hands identical
     
  17. YY77

    YY77 Jan 24, 2021

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    TH Carrera 360, I declined replacement of crown and pushers which were optional but would have increased the bill with €970.

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    TH Kirium Chronometer, also replacement of tritium hands but had that replaced locally, SL hands stored.

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  18. Yago

    Yago Jan 24, 2021

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    Theft
     
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  19. Mspeedster

    Mspeedster Jan 24, 2021

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    Around $700 for the basic Hesalite with cloth strap version. But the price difference is higher depending on whether one is looking at the Sapphire version or with a bracelet, then it's more like $800 USD. A fairly big jump to me. I think I'd rather source a nice pre-owned 1861 Speedmaster or even buy one new since the previous version, while discontinued, is still available at some ADs.

    However in my case, my FOIS Speedmaster gives me all the Speedy goodness I need in a watch. I chose it over the standard Moonwatch for its smaller proportions and more vintage look. Was really more curious about this group's view of the new Moonwatch.
     
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  20. YY77

    YY77 Jan 24, 2021

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    No it's 18k WG, as said they were optional, also optional was sapphire crystal which had scratches but weren't noticeble to the naked eye. They are looking at it very closely and quoted as optional. When I got it back I could feel the scratches but they are in the center so not concerning enough.