Modern McQueen Monacos: CAW211A vs CAW211P

  1. ewand

    ewand Aug 15, 2016

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    all - I acquired a CAW211A 40th Anniversary Monaco earlier this year and love it, though I'm almost scared to wear it. which defeats the purpose of having it to some degree. I'm not a massive fan of the strap so immediately put it on a Guiliano Corfam style job.

    So I bought a CAW211P to put on my wrist while I figure if I want to keep the 211A for special occasions (which nobody except me would appreciate) or whether to move it on. In the meantime, I figured it might be interesting to compare the two up close - the only other side/side comparison I think I've seen is on http://www.calibre11.com/first-look-heuer-monaco-calibre-11-mcqueen-chronograph/.

    The hands are quite different, and it looks like the 211P is different to the early photos which showed it having substantially similar hands to the 211A. The dials are almost exactly the same indoors, but in sunlight, it seems the 211P appears lighter / more reflective.
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  2. ewand

    ewand Aug 15, 2016

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    @Calibre11 - feel free to move this to the Tag Heuer rather than the Vintage forum if more appropriate..
     
  3. Big Adam

    Big Adam Aug 15, 2016

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    I'm sitting on a cruise ship, half cut, agonising over a Heuer 01 at 4.6k USD in the 'overpriced showroom'. As a sensible fan, you need to keep the P and maximise your return on the A. I'm pished but you need a push in the right direction.......
     
  4. Calibre11

    Calibre11 Editor of Calibre11.com Staff Member Aug 15, 2016

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    Great photos @ewand I've been watching to see what happens to the value of the A given how similar the new model is...not really sure that we have an answer yet. If you do decide to sell, drop me a PM

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  5. Hubert

    Hubert Aug 15, 2016

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    I also have both. Indoors I have not noticed any difference on the color of the dials. I will need to take some quality side-by-side pictures to see if I can spot any noticeable distinction.
     
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  6. Count.d

    Count.d Aug 17, 2016

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    To me, the metal frame around the calendar never looks right encroaching into the time divisions on the CAW211A. Although the metal looks a little bit better than the painted white surround of the CAW211P, overall I think it looks like an afterthought and aesthetically wrong.

    Another difference is there are 4 time divisions between 1 second on the CAW211A and only 3 on the CAW211P.

    I would wear the CAW211P and not worry about the resale value. This is what watches are for. When you're 85, you'll probably wonder what saving these special treats was for.
     
  7. ewand

    ewand Aug 20, 2016

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    Well spotted on the time divisions; I'd never noticed that! I suppose that means it's ever so slightly more authentic looking as the 1133B had 4, and smaller lume plots too.(for me, that was the first thing that stood out when I put the two side by side - the 211P lume plots look massive next to the 211A).

    And good advice re wearing the watch(es) - I know a guy who's been quite instrumental in organising supercar events, and his favourite quote was "if you worry about driving your supercar so you don't put miles on it, that's like not having sex with your girlfriend so she's in better shape for her next lover".
     
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  8. Hubert

    Hubert Aug 20, 2016

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    Ok; here are the side-by-side pictures of mine. There is indeed a slight color & texture difference on the main dials.
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  9. elbeik

    elbeik Aug 21, 2016

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    Is one crown thicker than the other?
     
  10. Squadrone Rosso

    Squadrone Rosso Aug 21, 2016

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    I have the latest one with the window on the back. Had it for Christmas 2015.

    The blurb says the dial is truest to the original.

    What I don't understand is why the chronograph pushers aren't like they are on the new Silverstone or Monza.

    The modern pushers spoil it IMO but that said, I do love my Monaco.
     
  11. Count.d

    Count.d Aug 21, 2016

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    Some more differences between the CAW211A and CAW211P;

    CAW211P, the divisions on the 2 small dials stop within the square frame and leave a small gap, just like the original 1133b. This looks far better to me than the CAW211A, which has the divisions bleeding off into the frame.

    The print on the CAW211P is ever so slightly finer than the CAW211A. Looks better quality.

    The hands on the CAW211A are slightly wider than CAW211P. No particular preference here.

    The face colour is ever so lighter on the CAW211P. Prefer the lighter shade and also it's a little closer to the original 1133b.

    The crown is deeper on the CAW211P and looks better balanced protruding the same distance as the push buttons opposite. The crown on the CAW211A looks a little weak in comparison.

    The lume plots are slightly larger on the CAW211P and I think they look more in keeping with the wide hands and general stocky appearance of the watch. The CAW211A couldn't have the same size plots, as the metal frame around the date would encroach into it at the 6 o'clock position. The more I look at the calendar frame on the CAW211A, the more it looks so wrong, that I'd never buy that model.

    The ltd edition number of the CAW211A makes it appealing to collectors, but it would have to be totally unworn, never mounted the latch onto the strap and the whole complete box, etc kept in no light - low humidity conditions for it to be worth an investment and even then, it will be many, many years.

    Overall, with the additional of the beautiful sapphire back, I think Tag Heuer have done many refinements to the new Monaco. Perhaps it's modern technology helping this, or just TAG upping their game. It's great to see the standards are getting better.

    All IMO :)
     
  12. Calibre11

    Calibre11 Editor of Calibre11.com Staff Member Nov 3, 2016

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    I've just bought a new strap for mine- FC6300
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    It's almost the same as the black strap that comes with both McQueen models, but has blue stitching. Some sites say that its black, other s claim its dark blue...I'll let you know next week!

    The other option I was thinking of is this strap that came with the Silverstone. Thoughts?
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  13. Hubert

    Hubert Nov 3, 2016

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    It's a dark blue. Almost black. See http://forums.calibre11.com/threads/whats-on-your-wrist.19044/#post-205952
     
  14. Calibre11

    Calibre11 Editor of Calibre11.com Staff Member Nov 3, 2016

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  15. Whitewatersky

    Whitewatersky Jun 24, 2017

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    Good overview. Thanks