J-C Biver Stepping Down from TAG Heuer

  1. abrod520

    abrod520 Sep 22, 2018

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  2. absolutemustard

    absolutemustard Sep 22, 2018

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    Thats takes into account access, which isnt a marker for best. Not a lot of people have access to Ferraris but they are arguably better than cars most people have access to. Id rather have the best hospitals and doctors in the world that were built on the incentives of capitalism. The best things in the world are built because of profits, sad that people are forgetting that fact.

    There are 3 markers to measure healthcare: quality, universality, and affordability. In the real world a healthcare system can only have two of those. I pick quality and affordability over universality every time.
     
  3. wt_guy

    wt_guy Sep 22, 2018

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    Eh, there are lots of reasons for that, many of which are complicated. For example, the US has worse maternal/fetal/infant issues than similarly wealthy countries in Europe, because US mothers choose to give birth to babies that in Europe would be aborted. E.g., the incidence of Down Syndrome in live births in Europe is practically 0. If Down Syndrome is detected in the womb, the fetus is aborted. In the US, a large percentage of mothers with Down Syndrome fetuses choose to proceed with their pregnancies. The same is true for all kinds of fetal abnormalities. Needless to say, the higher rate of live births of babies with sometimes significant abnormalities, produces problems for mother, baby-in-womb, and baby-after-birth. This lowers our rates for maternal health, fetal health, infant health, etc.

    Now, there are certainly valid ethical debates that can be had on such things. I'm not trying to say that Europeans are heartless baby-killers. I'm not sure where my own sentiments lie in this matter, to be honest. I can see both sides, and I can certainly understand the argument that aborting a fetus with significant abnormalities is more humane than to let it be born. But in any case, the point is that some of the numbers that come out making the US look bad (like higher maternal and fetal death rates) are not due to quality of health care per se, but to other societal factors.

    Back to the topic, I am sad to see JCB stepping down, even though I thought that some of the stuff he introduced was ugly. He was trying to push for new things, and a lot of the times, new stuff comes out ugly. I appreciate the efforts to push watch design forward.
     
  4. khyap10

    khyap10 Sep 22, 2018

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    Hope that JCB get better soon. While I was scouting for a timepiece, Heuer 01 model were the one that I enjoyed looking at the most and of course subsequently bought it. I thank him for coming out with that model. And all the best to the new TH team!
     
  5. Calibre11

    Calibre11 Editor of Calibre11.com Staff Member Sep 22, 2018

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  6. THJunkie

    THJunkie Sep 22, 2018

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    Good luck to all concerned in their new positions. Fingers crossed TH keeps moving in the right direction.
     
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  7. abrod520

    abrod520 Sep 23, 2018

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    Access to healthcare is very important. You don't think everyone should have access to quality healthcare regardless of income?

    I know nothing about babies with Down's Syndrome, but considering many people in the US forgo medical treatment because they can't afford it and that there are many communities in the US without access to healthcare due to the fact that private hospitals can't make a profit in those areas probably drags down the average too
     
  8. Aquagraph

    Aquagraph Sep 23, 2018

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    I hope Mr Biver still does interviews, he is fantastically entertaining... and from what I've heard a very nice man.
     
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  9. Hubert

    Hubert Sep 23, 2018

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  10. Aquagraph

    Aquagraph Sep 24, 2018

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    Sending best wishes to the great Mr Biver!:)